Sun / Neptune





These bodies appear to have little in common, yet their good aspects are often productive of great benefits.


The Native is as a rule a visionary of some sort, or at least he has a very active imagination of a creative or constructive kind, which may be of great use to him in some vocations.


But the directions in which the faculties will expand depends on the rest of the map.  Very many writers and artists have this combination and probably owe much to it.  There are also many followers of the way of mysticism, as well as philanthropists and humanitarians.  The love of animals is commonly very strong: this is usually the case even when the bodies are in affliction, though there may then be excess of feeling, sentimentality, etc.  Horses are particularly liked.  But besides this side, the combination maybe perfectly practical (it has been said that the genuine mystic is the most practical of persons, as, for example, Joan of Arc.  It occurs in empire-builders, great financiers, and industrialists, and others who have “visions” of a distinctly profitable kind.


It goes without saying that all Neptune aspects incline to relations with water and the sea.


These aspects seem markedly to favour the self-made man, although one may say that most people with a strong solar aspect make or seek to make something of their lives for themselves.


The most illusive side of the contacts occurs in the cases of mediumistic or psychistic tendencies, though these are commoner under the Conjunction and Inharmonious contacts.  “Charubel,” the astrologer-clairvoyant, had a Sextile of the Sun and Neptune; William Blake had a Trine.  We must let the reader judge the work of these two men for himself, sincere as each undoubtedly was.  The task of Sun-Neptune is to see visions and to actualize them; the prayer “They Kingdom come” is the essence of the aspects of these bodies, and their favourable aspects frequently indicate the capacity to do work of this kind in an unusual and even unique manner.


In practical affairs, these aspects are favourable wherever vision and foresight are called for, but the native will be happiest and most successful when he can formulate an imaginary picture of the task that he has to do, an ideal pattern to which to work and the more entrancing and far-flung it is, the more it will draw him on to its fulfillment.


But I do not regard the Harmonious contacts between the Sun and Neptune as being reliable for “good,” so contrary in nature are these bodies.  In particular the Sextile is deserving of suspicion, in my experience.  It is rather singular that two cases of suicides given in my Symbolic Directions have both Lights in Sextile to Neptune.  A pair of cases obviously proves nothing, but more could be adduced.


The native’s father may be Neptunian in character, and may be a visionary or one engaged on mystical or occult work; or he may follow the sea or some other Neptune livelihood.  Even with the good contacts he will sometimes have moral delinquencies.






This powerful position inclines strongly to matters of which the essential characteristic seems to be delicacy or remoteness from what is ordinary, tangible and concrete.  Music is very commonly the main interest and pursuit, and other forms of art are often followed, in particular the drama.  Mysticism, occultism and spiritualism, in their many forms, often attract the native and it is certain that this aspect is commonly found in the horoscopes of astrologers, especially of those who are particularly interested in the predictive art.  I should say that Sun Conj. Neptune is the commonest aspect in astrological maps.


Contrary to what is sometimes taught, the position is not unpractical or lacking worldly ability, except in so far as devotion to such pursuits as are mentioned above is likely to be antagonistic to material success.  There is usually a sensitive but gifted mentality.


It seems to indicate very great enthusiasm for whatever subject is studied, and a lifelong devotion to it.  In these it may go with considerable success, fame and recognition, but it inclines to scandal and the native is likely to be the victim of rumours and tales of a subtle character, emanating from sources hard to detect and expose.  These attacks are generally directed against the moral character and are sometimes of a particularly odious kind, especially if the 5th and 11th house be involved.


The father is sometimes involved in dubious affairs or maybe engaged in Neptunian matters; or, again, there maybe some mystery or strange circumstance connected with him.


In women’s maps there is often either widowhood or spinsterhood.






This must be accounted a position that very subtly weakens the character, for the native is as a rule easily played upon, either through his vanity or his sympathies, or both.  He seldom realizes his own motives and may in extreme cases even think that he is acting the part of martyr or saint when he is in fact gratifying his self-approbation.  There is a craving for something great, wonderful and out of the ordinary, but there is not the ability or wisdom to pursue what is genuinely possessed of these attributes, and those who bait the hook with specious promises can usually fish for the native successfully.  If the native is ambitious in a worldly way he can be caught by the get-rich-quick shark; if his ambitions are of a pseudo-spiritual kind, he may fall a victim to “cultism.” He may be betrayed when his emotions have been stirred, by actual dope or drink or by plausible rhetoric.  Those who seek “spiritual” powers, as they are called, who wish to “get into touch with the Masters” by stunt-exercises, seek to become “great healers,” and otherwise succumb to the delusive claptrap that is now heard on all sides for the edification of well-intentioned but mis-guided people – these are commonly found to have Sun-Neptune afflictions.


Spiritists commonly have these configurations, and they occur also in the horoscopes of Christian Scientists, vegetarians, conscientious objectors, and others, who frequently are actuated by the noblest motives, but, in the case of those with the afflictions, either carry their ideals to injudicious extremes or suffer through the opposition of others or the excesses of their associates, with no apparent fault on their own part.


Sometime extreme sensitiveness to suffering, and resultant painful experiences, characterise these people.


The tendency of Neptune to produce scandal is often seen; sometimes the native is to blame, sometimes apparently not.  Often the whole affair is involved in mystery, and no one seems to know the truth about it.


Again, while some Sun-Neptunian people are muddlers, others are very careful and painstaking, but either have confused conditions thrust upon them by force of circumstance, or at some point in their lives their prudence seems strangely to desert them, and a long train of disorder has to be worked out.


Sympathy, kindliness and love of animals are very pronounced.   They are nearly always “good sorts.” Excess emotion is their peril; their desire-nature seems very easily stimulated and attracted, and they seem then to lack patience and to seek short cuts to their goals, inclining to scamp details and blind themselves to existing obstacles, facts and conditions.  The same trait seems to make them sometimes oblivious to the laws of conventional morality and straightforwardness, not perhaps so often deliberately as by reason of a seeming “blind spot.”


Neptune often causes people to be officious and overfond of proffering unasked advice and (in popular parlance) of preaching sermons; it does often literally produce preachers.


The Inharmonious aspects are evil for the father, who is sometimes domineering and selfish, or may be unfortunate, irresponsible in the Neptunian way, or may die young.


It causes worry through the children.


Women with this contact may be advised to be specially careful in respect of their male associates, as they are nearly certain to meet morally instable characters, and, very often, men who are the reverse of what they seem.  Drink is a common danger.


In all practical affairs the native has to guard constantly against deception and will be well advised to avoid all Neptunian interests or occupations, such as those connected with shipping, canals, water-supply, breweries, narcotics, lotteries, tobacco interests, substitute and artificial articles (e.g. artificial silk), marine cables, fishing, rubber and sleep (e.g. bedding).  The various pursuits that are related to the so-called astral plane should be scrupulously avoided, or investigated only in a strictly scientific and detached spirit.  He cannot be too particular to keep his affairs in order and avoid everything that is not absolutely above-board and free from the possibility of misconstruction.  Further, it is well to keep an eye open for all persons who may approach the native in connection with Neptune things, or who may by their habits or appearance give him reason to suspect Neptunian characteristics, promising something for nothing, or much for little.   Motives and characters must be rigidly scrutinized.


Sobriety, in the widest sense, is needed to enable one to steer through the rocks and currents of this contact.  It is hardly necessary to say that a good Saturn is the best prophylactic.








Dickens, Cecil Rhodes, King George V, Zola, Grant, Tolstoy, Thomas Huxley, John Burns, Lous XIV of France, Henry Ford, Thomas Hardy.




The Conjunction


Edison, Felix Faure, Savonarola, G.R.S. Mead, Adeline Patti, George IV, Richard Cromwell, King Alfonso of Spain, W.J. Bryan, Crown Princes of Germany.






King Edward VII, Stainton Moses, Dr. Zamenhoff, Edalji, Ramsay MacDonald, Chopin, Queen Elizabeth, Rudyard Kipling, Primo de Rivera (Spanish dictator), F.D. Roosevelt, H.G. Schact, Von Papen.




FINAL NOTE: The two Bengal anarchists given in Notable Nativities have the Sun in aspect to Neptune.  In one case in Trine, in the other in Square.   In the former, Mars throws a Square to the planet.